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Traveller-digest            Tuesday, 9 July 1996        Volume 1996 : Number 228

(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

         1. Re: Visio for Deckplans
         2. Re: Corn Dogs?
         3. Re: Corn Dogs?
         4. Re: Traveller-digest V1996 #190
         5. Re: Redesigning the Crunch Gun
         6. Re: Crunch Gun (Td V96 #225)
         7. Re: Visio for Deckplans
         8. Re: Corn Dogs?
         9. RE: Corn Dogs? 
        10. Re: Fighters and Missiles
        11. Savannah, Navaids, Hand Comps, Money
        12. Re: A little rant
        13. Re: Marines etc .....
        14. Corn Dogs, Comin' Up Hot!
        15. Corn Dogs.

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From: normf@wegener.com
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 08:48:04 PDT
Subject: Re: Visio for Deckplans

Eris writes [snipped]

>That's the problem!  I'd rather spend my $250 buying all those T4
>modules. If it were $100, it might be worth it.

I would recommend Corel 3. It iis currently listing for about $100, but
I have seen it for $69. If you can run the CD version, the fonts and
the vector-based clip art are worth it. They have included symbol fonts
for military symbols for those interested.

I would be willing to send *.cdr files of the deck plans symbols I have
made. Corel 3 also features layering. 

It is not as intuitive as Visio, but the ability to move points on a
line around is worth it.

Perhaps we could come up with a *library* of sorts. I also have some of
the TNE forms reproduced in Corel format. (I do not have ready access
to a copier, but I do have a laser printer.)

Good luck.

Norm Fenlason
normf@wegener.com
normf@cyberatl.com


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From: Jeffery.M.Miller@Dartmouth.EDU (Jeffery M. Miller)
Date: 09 Jul 96 08:47:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Corn Dogs?

Foul things, actually. Take a hot-dog(you know, a weiner?), skewer it
lengthwise with a stick, roll it in cornmeal batter and deepfry. You can almost
hear the arteries hardening, but nothing the british aren't famously aware
of... ;-)

- -j

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From: "Harold D. Hale" <hdhale@smtpgate.read.tasc.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:51:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Corn Dogs?

Liam McCauley asks:

>     Er, sorry for being so thick, but what's a corn dog?  And why are 
>     references to it so hilarious (or not) in Aliens of the Rim?
     
   In reality, a corn dog is prepared as follows: a hot dog or sausage
is shoved onto a wooded stick, dipped in batter (usually made with corn
[maize] meal), and then baked or fried.  The result is a meal (if you can
call it that) on a stick.

   The Hivers apparently that it would be very humorous if they took some
larvae (or whatever they really were) that looked and tasted like a corn
dog and past it off on their unsuspecting human hosts as the real thing.

   No, I didn't laugh all that much either.....

Regards,

Harold



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From: Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 06:59:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1996 #190

Leonard Erickson wrote:

> That's the rifle. I used to own one, but had to sell it. You forgot to
> mention the stripper clips you use to load it. I know I'm right about
> the action originally being developed for an anti-tank rifle.

I'll trust you about the action.  I've seen the rifle but I've never 
owned one and I don't have a copy of Jane's to say either way.

The point I had a problem with was someone misidentified the SKS as 
firing 17mm ammo and "being" a wwII antitank rifle.

Derek Stanley



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From: Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 14:42:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Redesigning the Crunch Gun

Bruce Johnson wrote:

> This, Derek, actually IS the Crunch Gun...that design was based on the
> Russian anti-tank gun (actually developed in the late 30's) and shows
> how badly flawed the small arms design sequence of FFS is, at many
> points.

I'm not sure about the barrel sequence.  90% of the Steyr AMR (that's 
what I'm working on not the PTRS) is the receiver 81 KILOGRAMS!!!  I just 
about cr@pped my pants when my calculator spewed that one out, the bipod 
weighed in at an amazing 20 kilograms that's 101 kilograms or over 220 
pounds for a receiver and bipod.  I practically fell on the floor.
 
> These guns actually weighed in on the order of <30 kg max, WITH bipod.
> The Crunch gun IIRC had a BIPOD that weighed in at almost 30 kg!
> These are allegedly single man portable weapons...87.74 kg is just
> way too much.

> OTOH, Gauss weapons seem way too light for the damage they do.  I
> know they're higher tech, but we don't use cast iron to make firearms
> anymore!

Let me tell you once you've reached TL12 throw away all those old rifles 
and ETC weapons and switch to gauss.  I created a 4mm SMG with a 2.5cm 
SA-GL for TNE.  It weighed in a less than 8 kilo's with 100 rounds.  It 
was a brutal weapon.  And a 10mm Gauss is capable of preforming "Crunch 
Gun" penetration at a mere 17kg a trooper in battle dress could use that 
as a main weapon.  It had the integral 2.5cm SA-GL and a 25 round clip.  
This thing would tear through light battle dress and LSP PR-317 like they 
were wearing paper.

Derek Stanley



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From: Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 07:20:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Crunch Gun (Td V96 #225)

Derek Wildstar wrote:

>I _think_ it would be possible to play min/max rules with FF&S and
>design a more effective weapon: you could optimize the energy by taking
>advantage of barrel length and the energy-to-DV conversion's 
>breakpoints. Leave off the bipod (and perhaps fit it with a tripod 
>instead - while the bipod mass is based on muzzle energy, tripod mass is 
>based on weapon mass, and would probably come out _lighter_ than a bipod 
>for high-energy rifles).

I beleive you're right about the Bipod / Tripod for heavy weapons.  I 
wonder, in light of earlier comments which I snipped out, if it to 
modifiy the receiver weight formula based on the muzzle energy.  IE if 
you have a muzzle energy of 30,000+ (use the same break points as the 
penetration values for ease of conversion) multiply the weight of the 
receiver by 0.33, or something like that.  Unfortunatly you'd have to 
modify the recoil tables too, to account for the lighter weapons and not 
have a corosponding increase in recoil. 
 

>I also noticed that the RC Equipment Guide published a set of battle 
>dress that was specifically armored enough to withstand the ball 
>ammunition from the Crunch Gun.  While that makes sense, it also means 
>that the DS ammunition will start showing up, with results that aren't 
>very pleasant.

No shit.  We were wearing light battle dress at the time, when some 
goomba opened up on us with that thing.  

I think the thing is at shorter ranges the ball is a capable round, and 
at longer ranges the DS is capable of penetrating a Phyrus Support Sled. 
 It's a very capable weapon, a lot hefty, but still a very capable 
weapon.
 
>I meant to write, but never got around to it, an adventure scenario
>outlining all of the truly nasty things a low-tech force could do 
>against a RCES-like invader.  While it might not be enough to win any 
>battles, it would certainly be possible to make occupation and 
>pacification ugly and unpleasant for the RCES - hopefully enough that 
>they would just give up and go home.  Then again, I never liked the 
>RCES.

Hey buddy your invader is my job!  Actually I've only been involved in 
one serious smash and grab in over a year of gaming, we attacked a prison 
compound and retreived the crew of one of our ships.  Beyond that all of 
our missions have been intelligence gathering, survailence, and hearts 
and minds kind of missions.  I really think the whole smash and grab 
mission profile is over blown, it's something that gets press but most 
missions are low key.

Personally I think that the smash and grabs were put in to give all 
these Arnold movie action junkies something to hook onto.

Derek Stanley


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From: Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 07:06:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Visio for Deckplans

normf@wegener.com wrote:

> I would be willing to send *.cdr files of the deck plans symbols I have
> made. Corel 3 also features layering.

Cool.  I'm running Corel 4, actually more tinkering with it really.  I'm 
trying to make some maps with it but if you've got examples.  I've 
received one example from chris cox but he's using Corel 6 and I can't 
take it appart and see how it was made so thats a bit of a problem.
 
> Perhaps we could come up with a *library* of sorts. I also have some of
> the TNE forms reproduced in Corel format. (I do not have ready access
> to a copier, but I do have a laser printer.)

Which forms have you got?  I had all of the map scales, planetary, 
continental, and  single hex.  Unfortunately I had my hard-drive go down 
and I lost them all.

Derek Stanley



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From: Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 07:02:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Corn Dogs?

Harold D. Hale wrote:

> 
>  The Hivers apparently that it would be very humorous if they took some
>larvae (or whatever they really were) that looked and tasted like a corn
>dog and past it off on their unsuspecting human hosts as the real thing.

Actually the Hiver Corndog is a parasitic worm that through pure 
conicidence when prepared looks just like a corndog.  A number of human's 
ate the things and when the Hiver's explained what they were, well you 
can guess the natural result.

Derek Stanley



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From: That Computer Guy <darkstar@udel.edu>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:23:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Corn Dogs? 

In Reply to Your Message of Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09: 51:40 EDT
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 10:23:56 -0400
From: That Computer Guy <darkstar@chopin.udel.edu>

: Liam McCauley asks:
: 
: >     Er, sorry for being so thick, but what's a corn dog?  And why are 
: >     references to it so hilarious (or not) in Aliens of the Rim?
:      
:    In reality, a corn dog is prepared as follows: a hot dog or sausage
: is shoved onto a wooded stick, dipped in batter (usually made with corn
: [maize] meal), and then baked or fried.  The result is a meal (if you can
: call it that) on a stick.
: 
:    The Hivers apparently that it would be very humorous if they took some
: larvae (or whatever they really were) that looked and tasted like a corn
: dog and past it off on their unsuspecting human hosts as the real thing.

Oh, but man were they tasty!  8)

       --Jerry

8) Jerry Alexandratos                %  "Nothing inhabits my    (8 
8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu         %   thoughts, and oblivion (8
8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu  %   drives my desires."    (8

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From: Tom Ellis <tellis@telerama.lm.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Fighters and Missiles

I have a 5 ton missle, essentially a 10G fighter loaded with warheads,
each with its own 6G thrust (one burn) for the final dash.

I don't usually bother posting exact designs because I use my own system.
I am still not sure I like the new one but if I don't in the end I will
just continue using my own.

Anyways, its a 5 ton craft with no crew and light armor.  It counts as 10
standard CT/High Guard missile attacks.  I am at work right now and don't
have my notes on price, etc.  It is indeed a CapShip killer, but its very
expensive.

_______________________________________________________
Tom Ellis
tellis@telerama.lm.com
http://www.lm.com/~tellis/

"No! Do, or do not.  There is not try." Yoda
_______________________________________________________ 


------------------------------

From: David Jaques-Watson <davidjw@pcug.org.au>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:48:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Savannah, Navaids, Hand Comps, Money

Dear Folks -

1. The "Savannah"

The Encyc Brit says that the USSR built a civilian nuclear-powered
icebreaker, the *Lenin*, in 1957 (also the first nuclear-powered vessel,
ever). The next civilian nuclear-powered ship was the *Savannah*, built in
1962 (sponsered by the US AEC and Maritime Commission). It was a "modern
shelter-deck ship of 12,220 gross tons" (compare this to the *Queen
Elizabeth* liner at 83,673 tons).  It carried 60 passengers and made about
20 knots. However, it couldn't compete commercially. 

Another nuker was
the *Otto Hahn*, "operated in Germany by the Society for the Evaluation of
Nuclear Energy in Shipbuilding and Navigation" in the 1970's. The article
stated it had a smaller and more compact power plant, reducing the dangers
if a collision occurred. 

The section of the article concludes that the high initial cost and
difficulties in crew training have prohibited commercial usage of nuclear
power in shipping. 

All quoted text from: 
"Transportation", _The New Encyclopaedia Britannica_, 15th Edition (1993),
Vol 28, pp 854-5, Chicago, USA. 

>But by the time of the Imperium, nuclear power is as old as *iron* is
>now. People aren't going to be *unrealisticly* worried about it, and
>they'll have several *thousand* years of experience tell them what the
>odds of various sorts of accidents are. 

And of course they have _NukeAway_(tm) - wasn't our lack of this the
reason Mork wanted to leave Earth? 

2. Virus (again)

Another possible explanation for the rapid initial spread is to say that
more than one strain was released in the initial data transfer. Presumably
the strike team sent everything it could find. Certainly, if only the
Suicider had been released, the infection would have rapidly died out. How
about saying that a few strains were released, including the TNS version
to corrupt news broadcasts... 

3. ID4

>Patrick Stewart was watching it in the same theatre that I was in. 

You name-dropper! (BTW, I hope to meet Don Perrin this weekend!)

4. Orbital Navaids

These have been mentioned before in Traveller. Some are put up by the home
planet, some are maintained by the Imperial Starport Authority, some by
the Scouts, some by the Navy... 

"Canon" seems to suggest that the IISS sort of "fills in" if no-one else
is around, or for Scout-interdicted worlds. The Navy only worries about
Navy-interdicted worlds.  Home worlds can have a multiplicity of
satellites (eg our Earth now);  maybe one set is a standard Imperial
navaid network. 

5. Re: Humour

>The characters may have to deal with some worlds that are in the midst of
>a pneumonic plague or somesuch... 

Do you mean a mnemonic plague (causing loss of literacy - see that
thread), or a pneumatic plague (where people keep blowing up)? 

6. Hand Computers

These have been fully detailed in a number of DGP publications, including
one of those detailed handout equipment sheets. They do all the things Joa
wanted them to do.  Actually, I saw (and kept) an even better full-colour
pic for a hand computer, that was in an "Intel Inside" ad. I thought
someone from Intel had been reading Traveller. 

7. Money (was Hand Computers)

In Australia, the one- and two-cent coins have been phased out totally,
meaning that all the shops must round to the nearest five cents. The one-
and two-dollar bills have both been replaced by coins, and the five-dollar
is next. The two dollar coin is thicker than the one dollar, but
*smaller*. Weird. All our "paper" money ($5, $10, $20, $50, $100) has been
replaced with polymer notes that have the following features: 

- - denominations are coloured differently from each other;
- - clear "window" panels are incorporated into their design; 
- - micro-writing (writing with a resolution too small to be photocopied) is
used; 
- - the text and pictures are embossed on the note; 
- - a star with 3 points on one side of the note and 4 on the other, making
the complete star only visible when you hold the note up to the light; 
- - each denomination is 5mm longer than the next. 

The Reserve Bank boasts that ours is one of the most secure currencies in
the world.  Apparently the US has great problems with forgery. I've seen
their notes, and I think that a photocopier could almost duplicate them
(apart from the green backs)! How do blind people tell them apart? all one
size, all one colour.  Mind-boggling! I'm sighted, and I reckon that I'd
pay $50 for a $1 cup of coffee, and not even notice until much later. 

And we have the largest number of ATM's per capita in the world. OK, all
you conspiracy theorists, is Oz a great social experiment to test out a
cashless society, or what? 

The reason for paper money (polymer money!) in Traveller is just as a plot
device;  it is the "McGuffin", the dilithium crystal, the gimmick, the
thing that everyone wants and that is tangible and easy to steal. For
example, the Amber Zone "Aces and Eights" states that merc units are
traditionally paid in hard cash.  However, the best reason the scenario
has for this is so that there is "hidden treasure"  that the PC's must go
and find. 

And James is correct; the "play-doh" polymer currency used in the Imperium
is described fully in the _Imperial Encyclopedia_ for MT. 

Bruce said: 

>My personal belief is that a 'hand computer' will be actually a number of
>different devices each with different niches

Last year I saw a program where a computer exert said he had 6 chips on
him at that moment;  pocket calculator, cellular phone, pocket organiser,
pager, and two I can't remember. He stacked them on the desk and said; "In
two years, all of these will be in one device.  It will then take us
another two years to work out if they SHOULD all be in the one device, but
technology does allow us to integrate them". 

BTW, Joe, I hate to tell you, but my COBOL progs include century (had to,
needed to print a seven-year-in-the-future destroy date on certain
financial reports). 

- - Hyphen
(David Jaques-Watson)
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity".


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From: David Jaques-Watson <davidjw@pcug.org.au>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 02:02:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: A little rant

Dear Folks -

>"Oh!  we see, they're *Americans*!"

Now what did I mean by that? <thinks> This hearkens back to the "Yanks in
Space" theme of a few months ago. It's all stereotyping, BTW, due in no 
small part to a biased media (eg. Walter Kronkite in 'Nam during the Tet 
Offensive. This was actually the worst thing, militarily, that the VC 
could have done. After all, exposing themselves meant they made 
themselves targets - "all the better to shoot at, my dear". But Walter 
saw it as a failure on the US side).

However, there are also the following few things:
- - my grandfather-in-law, in the RAF in WW2, trained with his unit and 
some US units.  The US guys saw a bush move and shot at it (yes, using 
live ammo). Turned out that one of their guys had snuck off for a pee, 
and they had shot him dead. Yes, this is in *training* (seriously, even 
training is dangerous - just look at our Blackhawk crash a few weeks ago. 
Military equipment is not a pile of toys).
- - tactics in Vietnam were to split the unit, with each side executing a 
pincer movement. However, often the ends of the pincer, when closing, 
fired at themselves, thinking they were VC. Dangerous.
- - one US encampment practice that annoyed the locals was to camp in the 
centre of a village. The Aussies, meanwhile, camped half a mile *outside* 
the village. They reported that you didn't go *anywhere* near the US camp 
at night - they would shoot first and ask questions later.
- - then there was that whole thing with the village that was almost wiped 
out (sorry, can't remember the name, saw a US documentary on it years ago 
and was horrified). One poor soul remembered shooting a woman in the 
back, then realising that the round had gone through her and also killed her 
son that she had been running away with. This ex-soldier now takes bulk 
anti-depressants, etc, and can't live with his guilt.
- - and in Iraq, many people (including some Brits in an APC) discovered that 
version of Murphy's Law: "Friendly fire... isn't".

I'm glad that the forces in Bosnia showed restraint. I think that is 
great (not to mention showing great courage in adhering to rules of 
engagement, even if you put yourself in danger). I guess all I was trying 
to say was that the attitude attributed to the Impy Marines is a lot 
like the stereotyped view of US forces.

Can we create a better view? One thing missing from the Impy forces is a 
surgical strike force (as opposed to a blunt - sorry, Big - stick). I 
think we need an SAS-style force. Or is that what the 4518th was meant to be?

- - Hyphen
(David Jaques-Watson)
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity".


------------------------------

From: "R. Michael Stephens" <mikes@mathcs.emory.edu>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:59:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Marines etc .....

> 
> From: Wes Payne <n9548326@cc.wwu.edu>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:40:51 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Marines/Legion etc .....
> 
> Thus spake "R. Michael Stephens" <mikes@mathcs.emory.edu>:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Much of this, I suspect, has to do with the style of training and high 
> > level's of bonding that are imparted.  NOt to mention the belief that 
> > marines don't leave their wounded behind, -- it has in fact happened but 
> > the attitude and tradition remains VERY strong.
> 
> There WAS that unfortunate incident at Twentynine Palms a while back...
> 
> I'm in the Army myself, so I'm not qualified to comment on the entire 
> body of USMC tradition, mindset, etc..  However, I have worked with them 
> during joint exercises, and did notice that they were just about 
> fanatical when it came to accounting for their people.  Naturally, all of 
> the services, Army included, work personnel accountability into their 
> training and operations just so that nobody gets left behind, but the 
> Marines suffer the least "It Can't Happen to Us" mindset of all of them.  
> Hell, they took better care of a couple of Army pukes than the Army 
> often does.
> 

In fact iit is (all but) beaten into you in bootcamp - the living are not 
left, and the bodies are not if there is any choice. There have been 
(recollection hazy since it has ben 20 years ....) instances where the 
number of casualties was increase significnatly by this attitude.  It was 
used against us in the Pacific WWII and Veitnam.  But the bonding effect 
is alomost unbelievable.

I believe that the legion has similar attitudes.

Add that to a training progarm that makes you do things that you KNOW are 
not physically possible and you get elite mindset.

> Considering that, in the Traveller universe, Marine operations have the 
> highest risk of personnel loss (taking a planet is a heck of a lot harder 
> than keeping one), this higher degree of importance placed on personnel 
> accountability will probably still exist.  Probably the only time that 
> Marines (in the Traveller universe) will be left behind (wounded or not) 
> is when there is nobody left to pick them up (the entire force has been 
> destroyed).
> 

That would be the way I would play it.

Also I would have Marine fighter jocks  have a skill level in ground tactics
to simulate the equivalent to the current requirement (at least as of 1970's)
that marine piolts had to take the marine platoon leaders training course.

Theory was (and anecdotal evidence seems to support it) that people who 
have been in command on the ground are more attunned to the mudfeet needs 
when flying cloase air support.

Many Marines I knew who were in Nam had horror stories about close air 
flown by non marine piolts -- esp Air force (not so much based on the 
rivalry issues -- one of them told me it was not due to lack of skill or 
desire on the AF part it was lack of training for that role and a lack of 
mudfoot perspective which caused them to dump their l;oads from as high 
as they could get away with.  In contrast I heard a story (maybe even 
true) about a navy phantom jock who burned out a bunker complex  by 
flying a low pass and going nose up and dumping afterbuner on it.

Hope it's not to off topic.

Mike

|===========================================================================|
|           Mike Stephens, UNIX Systems Programmer/Admin  BIMCORE           |
|   Biomolecular Comupting Resource, Emory University, Atlanta, Ga, USA     |
|  email: rms@bimcore.emory.edu or mikes@mathcs.emory.edu or rms@emory.edu  |
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From: Steve Charlton/Avalon Software Inc <Steve_Charlton@khan.Avalon.COM>
Date: 9 Jul 96 10:17:28 MS
Subject: Corn Dogs, Comin' Up Hot!

>     Er, sorry for being so thick, but what's a corn dog?  And why are 
>     references to it so hilarious (or not) in Aliens of the Rim?
>     
>     Cheers,
>     Liam
     
A corn dog is just a hot dog on a stick, covered with corn batter and fried.  
Really nasty things, but every now and then an uncontrollable urge comes along 
and I am forced to buy and eat some quantity of the things.  I've seen them in 
Mexico also, but not in Europe anywhere.  What other countries have these 
things?

BTW - In case you need to know, a hot dog is sort of a non-spicy sausage.  It 
is usually boiled or broiled, and served on a bun smothered in condiments like 
mustard, ketchup, relish, etc.  Since you have never done anything to offend me 
or hurt my friends, I will be kind and not mention what they are actually made 
of.

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From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:04:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Corn Dogs.

LIAM:  A corn dog is what some people call a pogo. Basically a weenie on 
a stick covered in batter and deep-fried.  Mmm...I can feel my arteries 
closing up just thinking about it.  I have no idea why such a thing would 
be funny, I've always considered them a _very_ serious matter, especially 
when you throw them at a planet at .1 c or build radical computer designs
 which are EMP-resistant from them :-).  (Runs, ducks for cover...)

Charles.


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<0>     Psychology Department, McGill University.  		 	 <0> 
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to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from,
such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the
"subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-traveller":

subscribe traveller-digest local-traveller@your.domain.net

A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "traveller-digest"
in the commands above with "traveller".
